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I am Dez and I’m Ari and this is Time Pop.
How are you, Ari?
I’m good.
I like that steampunk wheelchair.
I couldn’t figure out what it was a carriage.
It was supposed to look like the old time cars.
The first cars.
Yeah.
And that’s why they show the car.
At the beginning.
We watched The Time Machine.
The Titular Time Machine.
Good Word written by the, the, the book, The Time Machine written by HG Wells.
And I forgot to write down when he wrote.
Have you ever read it.
I have never read it and I have never seen any of the other versions of this movie.
There are a lot of versions I knew there was a couple movie versions but they, they mentioned at least five movies slash teleplays, couple of TV shows.
And this is technically we watched the 2002, the Time Machine.
This is described as the remake of the 1960 film and I don’t know if you noticed, but this was directed by Simon.
Not a coincidence.
Is there a relation?
This is the great grandson of HG Wells.
Yes, that’s, yeah, very cool.
He so yeah, let’s get into the fact portion of this situation uh directed by Simon Wells, the great grandson of HG Wells.
He’s done a lot of animation Kung Fu Pandas.
He was a story artist.
He didn’t direct them, but he’s a story artist on a lot of those chicken run ants who framed Roger Rabbit, supervising animator on that.
That’s pretty cool.
His directing, he did the Prince of Egypt an American Tale.
Five.
All goes west.
Fantastic.
And this, oh, he was a consultant on back to the future part two.
I don’t know how he consulted in that.
Maybe they just wanted a Wells in the credits, maybe they just went out and had lunch so that they could add that to the credits and sound more awesome starring Guy Pearce Memento fame.
Count of Monte Cristo King, speech prometheus which I forgot.
I love Prometheus, despite everyone else’s me.
No, I like Prometheus in that subject.
I really enjoyed it.
Who else is here?
So, the theme is starting to emerge with these time travel movies because I think a lot of people are scared to go into them because they’re sci fi, they’re risky.
There’s usually not a ton of money pumped into them.
And so you wind up with a lot of actors who have done a lot of television and not a lot of movies.
So you get a lot of very good actors with very long IM DB credits, but not a lot of movies.
And this is no exception.
A lot of great actors.
They’ve all done the cis route, they’ve all been on law and order all that stuff and now they’re doing the movies.
He had a lot of great actors but not a ton of things to point to.
Of course, besides Jeremy Irons who is amazing and we will get to him much later.
But Hans Gruber’s younger brother is always a delight and plays the creepy dude you would expect him to play when his name comes up in the credits.
I think that’s good on facts.
We will now head over to Ari for the fiction.
And what is your overview?
Ari?
All right.
So Ari’s overview, I have a theme song.
So this movie is about a scientist, a professor, scientist, mathematician, engineer, he can do it all general thinker who has a horrible night when his fiance that he just proposed to get shot by a mugger, I guess you could say.
And he goes a little crazy and locks himself in his lab and essentially builds a time machine.
He then goes back to that night that his fiance was shot and he changes it.
So he takes her away from that location to another location and he thinks everything is great and then she gets run over by a horse and carriage because this takes place in like the 18 eighties or nineties or something.
We’ll figure out 1880 something.
Yeah, we’ll figure out exactly when.
And so then he has the realization that he can’t change the past and why can’t he, he wants to know why can’t I change the past?
And he essentially comes up with the idea that if he kept trying to go back and save her, he would just watch her die over and over again.
So instead he decides to go into the future, far, far into the future.
And he comes out on to the year 2030 I believe.
And it’s the future and everything looks cool and he’s trying to find the answer to why he can’t change the past.
He goes into a library where there’s a I computer and he asks him and the A I computer says you can’t change the past because time travel’s not real Orlando Jones.
Orlando I believe I left him out.
Orlando Jones is the encyclopedia of the future.
And he’s always a delight.
Right.
And real quick while I’m jumping in 1899 is where we start.
1899 is where we start.
Great.
Cool.
I’m not sure when the first cars came out, but I’m sure it’s right around.
Then they were a reality.
They were, didn’t the first cars come out in 1901 Ford model t came out in 1901?
I feel like that would have been, something would have been developed before that.
But obviously that would have been the popularization of it, the commercial sale of it anyway, it would have been as rare as this movie depicts in 1899.
Right?
Holy crap.
Right.
So the main character in 1899 comes across a guy who has essentially one of the very first cars and he’s like holy molly and you know, he wants to look at it, but he’s late to go meet his lady who then gets shot anyway.
So he’s in the future and he’s trying to figure out why he can’t change the past by asking the Artificial intelligence library, Orlando Bloom guy.
And he says time travel is not real, sorry, wrong Orlando.
Very big difference between Jones and Bloom, right?
Sorry.
So help me out with this part.
He does, does he go a little bit further into the future?
And that’s when the he goes seven years.
Ok.
He gets in, his time starts to go.
Yeah, he gets in his time machine.
After the library computer guy says time travel is not real.
You cannot change the past.
He’s like, ah, he gets in his time machine and he starts to go and then the time machine gets bumped or rocked and something happens.
And so he stops the time machine and he’s seven years into the future.
So he’s 2037.
And when he comes to a stop, it looks like a post apocalyptic city.
You know, there’s things are destroyed.
It’s night time, there’s lights, there’s police and you know, he comes across these police and says what happened?
And this made me very sad because I love the moon, the moon and I have a big connection.
I love all things, space and stars and moons and, and in this movie, the moon got destroyed.
Apparently in 2030 we have space stations on the moon and we are mining the moon for something.
Oh, did they say that?
Yeah.
And we were there and I wrote it down and I’ll have to go through my notes.
But essentially we went too far, which was a line said by the main character’s friend.
Back in 1899 his friend said, will we ever go too far with technology?
So apparently that came back around because we went too far.
We we mined the moon and they show the shot of the moon and it’s like broken in pieces and some of it is falling to the earth and apparently it causes a post apocalyptic earth.
So there’s a struggle.
He’s trying to get away from these police officers.
He gets back in his time machine and he punches it forward by a lot.
He gets, is this when he gets knocked out, I forget how he gets knocked out at this.
I think like a piece of the moon falls on him or something must have got.
Yeah, jostled again.
So he’s the apocalypse.
So the machine is on, it’s running, he’s traveling through time and he gets knocked out and then there’s this like long sequence.
So they show a lot of time passing and he wakes up and it is destroyed and recreated and ice aged and at least two full cycles of that.
Yeah.
And then he finally comes to and the date time reader thing says take it away desi eight 102,701 on the great day of July 16th for it’s worth July 16th.
It’s a good day.
Ok.
So 802701 is the date which is super cool because not many movies go that far in the future and not to stay, a lot of them go there just for to prove that the time machine could if they wanted to.
But then they back away very quickly because they don’t want to do that.
So then he is rescued by the local people.
I call new people and they kind of look like indigenous Native American type of people and they nurse him back to health.
He makes friends.
He soon realizes that there are no old people amongst these groups.
Eloi.
Eloi is the name of the people.
There are no old people amongst the Eloi.
And the reason is there is an alternate underground orc type of species who are hunting the Eloi for food and these little orc thingies, we don’t know that.
Well, it doesn’t matter.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is a spoiler alert.
We’re giving it all.
So he essentially the main character, forgetting his name right now.
I’m not good with names.
Where did it go?
Alexander Hartin, Alexander or Guy Pierce.
Yep, essentially ends up helping these eu emu e Eloy people.
So after asking questions, they then get attacked and that’s when Alexander goes into high gear.
Yeah.
So he has to rescue the woman that nursed him back to health with the help of her little brother and he goes into their underground layer which is lots of tunnels and they kind of seem like they have machines and they’re very evil, dark scary creatures.
And he comes across the king as I called him.
Uber Morlock Uber.
Yeah, the ela above the Morlocks are below and he is credited as Morelock Uber, Morlock, Uber Morlock, all of them are or Morelock and then the king is the Uber.
And then Jeremy Irons is the Uber Morlock.
I’m gonna call him the king of the Orcs.
And he explains that, you know, his species, they’re breeding it to do certain things.
Oh, and, but he explains that what happened was when the moon did crumble.
Some people survived above ground and some people survived below ground and they are the below ground survivors who have turned into these very ugly, they totally separated it too well.
No, because they do procreate.
He talks about that too.
He says two species but then he mentions that they do, they use the Eloy for procreation anyway.
So Alexander destroys the king and uses his time machine as a bomb to destroy all the orc creature things and destroy all their tunnels and save the above ground people because they’re nice guys, the good guy.
They’re the good guys, the pretty ones.
Yeah.
And yay happy ending.
But before he did that, don’t clap yet before he did that, he took a little trip more into the future with the king.
And the way he kills the king is kind of cool, but I have a lot of questions about it and but he saw that in the future, the orc evil, ugly people do end up coming above ground and destroying the earth and it looks, it looks like mordor.
And thank you.
My note says Lord of the Rings totally.
So then he goes back.
Right.
He goes forward to the year 746 million, 538,921.
The great year of our Lord.
Wow.
Ok.
Wait, say those numbers just like the numbers 746538921.
Yeah.
And you know what, this is not an accident.
They used every digit, they mixed them up but that’s just one through nine.
Really?
Did they use zero?
That’s not a real number.
That’s an integer.
Now, I don’t know what I’m talking about.
Ok.
Yeah.
So very random.
Very far in the future.
And the earth is destroyed and these or things are, is not destroyed.
The earth does not care who she nurses into reality.
The earth is going to be just fine whether you’re pretty or ugly, the earth just wants to be there for you.
Ok.
Well, it looks, it looks terrible.
It looks dark and anyway, so then he goes back to judge Ari.
All right.
All right.
So he goes back to, uh, the time where he killed a king and just, just to the year 802,000 ish.
Right.
And he uses the machine to blow it all up and essentially he sends them into an accelerated, go ahead.
I’ll let you finish.
Well, yeah.
So he, he, uh, he talks about he’s going to change the future.
So he went back, blew them all up and now future has changed so that the pretty above ground people can flourish y the end.
But because his time machine is destroyed, he is stuck there and he’s OK with it because he’s got a new pretty lady friend.
Yes, he does.
The Eloy.
Cool.
So that’s your overview.
Let’s get into the nitty gritty.
So I’m going to talk about the end first since we’re right here just because of so how he destroys the morlocks is by damming his time machine.
Of course, this is all he seems to know a lot about what’s going to happen.
But he sends his time machine into the future, jams the gears and runs.
He’s not in it, he’s not in it.
He turns it on and leaves and runs and it is just accelerating into the future and then he gets just out of the blast zone and it goes off.
And so then it reverses for whatever reason.
It’s like up until now, all time travel happens within the machine and he has assumed that by jamming the gears, it’s gonna blast outward because how he kills the more locks is by accelerating them in the future so fast.
So what it looks like?
Yeah.
And so what, but only in the blast range.
So it was, it admitted this light and blast and whatever was in within that light or blast range, it looked like it accelerated and died.
But all of the sudden, oh, I guess it’s doing the accelerating because up until now, you know, everything has been going to forward and backward in the future.
And if you send this area a couple million years into the future, you would think even if the blast miss the people above whatever gorge or ice age or whatever is below is because he’s accelerating the entire area.
Is that what you took it as I took it as whatever the like fire.
If you think about it, if it were fire, instead of burning everything, it just accelerated, like whatever it touched it was touching, it was touching the cave, it was fire area, it was touch their machines.
They showed their machines deteriorating.
So there’s a little bit of a hole here.
That’s right.
I guess we did just jump right into holes, didn’t we?
Yeah, it was a cool effect.
I liked it.
I thought it was really, really well done and of course they had to have them as close to the blast range as possible to make it exciting.
I get it.
But it, it was, uh, uh, it’s a whole, yeah, it’s just a whole.
So, but going from there, can we now talk about how he killed the king guy?
So he had turned his machine on.
So it’s spinning and it’s created its little sphere, but it hasn’t traveled yet and they’re fighting in this sphere and they’re ha wow.
Bang, flip punch knife.
Oh, no knife gets knocked away and then which is, this is very implausible, implausible, implausible, implausible, implausible.
The king is dangling out of the machine holding on to guy Pearce’s neck, which is very hard to support somebody who’s holding on to your neck, support them up.
So the king is dangling outside of the sphere except for his forearms up to about his elbows are within the sphere.
And then guy reaches over and he pushes a lever up which starts the time travel process.
And then you see which is also a cool effect.
The king age and disintegrate and disappear and die and die.
But let’s talk about that because essentially what that means is he is dangling outside and for years, he is dangling there for years till he ages and dies.
You think he would just let go?
Well, either way, oh, he is dangling out there like this.
You can’t see me but my hands are above my head.
You’re right.
And I’m dangling and he’s just hanging there until he dies till he withers away and dies because he shrinks towards him like a skeleton and then just disintegrates away.
And that’s from Guy Pierce’s point of view.
Yes.
But from from the king’s point of view, he’s just hanging in the middle of nowhere.
Is guy still holding on to him.
At that point, King is still holding on to guy’s neck, doesn’t have him at all.
No, you would.
Yeah, because when he finally dies and lets go, his arms, his forearms are still wrapped around guy’s neck and he’s got to like, throw them out.
I felt like they were holding on to each other and the king is like, well, I’m just gonna choke you to death since you’re not going to let go of me, I’ll just choke you to death.
But he’s essentially trying to choke him to death because he’s outside the sphere for, let’s say, 50 years, how long does it take a body to disintegrate into Morelock?
So, in theory, you know, probably not billions of years, but for this guy to live to do you see what I’m saying though?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Just from his point of view, just let go.
And then even if it’s 20 years in the future, 30 years in the future, then you’re an Uber Dober Morelock.
Because now, not only do you have mind control over these creatures, but you’ve just transported 30 years in the future.
That’s right.
Didn’t he have telekinetic power?
He is?
So, the Morlocks I thought was very interesting.
They have a cast society and they have bred ears and bred like certain, I don’t know, ants very well.
But now ants are right.
Everyone has a job.
It’s not like us where any one of us can go out and do this or the other.
They have some that are bred to do the hearing, some that are bred to do the scene.
Some that are bred to do the hunting, which are the ones that we see because even he says at some point there are multiple of him.
So they have hives.
I miss that part, what I feel like.
And we’re seeing one hive in it, feeding off one food source.
And yeah, so if he had just let go at any point, he probably would have survived.
But it’s a cool effect.
It looks cool for the movie.
You know, what does it look like when someone just ages to death?
And we’ve watched one other movie that I won’t mention, but where the bar of the time machine creates a really neat effect.
And I, I really like that.
I thought that was, that was very cool.
Yeah, that was a fun part of the movie where he turns the machine on and everything around him starts to accelerate.
So let’s talk about the time machine.
This time machine is steampunk ish.
It’s, this would not have occurred to me, but I read that when it kind of fires up, it has a little bit of an hourglass effect to it, which I thought was cool and a neat idea.
It seems to hover in space.
So there’s a lot to talk about with.
Yeah, what happens to it and around it?
And it’s interesting.
Everything that this machine goes through in billions of years and being buried in sand and frozen in icebergs moon finally jostled it and blew and brought him out of it but it withstands a lot.
And then at the end when, when Uber Morlock is hanging from it, it’s just in the middle of the air.
What happens if he turns it off there?
Does it fall to the ground?
Yeah, I think for that part they were, they made it seem like it was on the edge of a cliff.
So it wasn’t hanging in midair.
But one thing is for sure about this time machine is it only travels in time and not space, which is one thing I love, we know, we know that, that I love when a time machine is very specific about whether it can travel in time or space or time and space and this one is only time.
So it stays exactly where it is and everything around it changes is yes.
But the question is, what’s the question?
Is it not there when it, when it’s on and time is traveling, do other people not see a globe?
A sphere?
They do not.
And the only reason I know is because at the very end after he kills the Morlock and he comes back, it appears, it appears in front of her.
Yeah, I saw that too.
So that means that somebody could build something in the space that it occupies.
Yes.
But that is a huge hole.
That’s a huge hole.
Yeah.
The because a they can see it and that’s a huge hole you know, to imagine.
But they, they can’t.
But let’s just imagine for a second that, that’s the direction they went when they went the other direction where, yeah, there’s nothing there until it’s back.
But here’s another hole towards the very end right before he used his stopwatch to blow up the machine.
The, I keep calling him Orcs but whatever they’re called are like, inching towards it because they can see it.
It’s this ball of light and you see the thing spinning around inside.
They’re like, what is this?
And they’re inching towards it and then it blows up, right?
So there’s another hole, there’s a big hole.
So can you see it?
Can you not see it?
It conveniently when he does arrive in 2030 it’s conveniently outside in a perfect alleyway where two buildings were just built, you know, perfectly around it because that’s where it’s very convenient that he can see what’s going on around him.
So, in theory, because he could have turned it off.
I mean, if you just sit and forget it could turn on and you’re buried under the dunes.
And in theory, once you stop time traveling, the sphere collapses and whatever is above you comes down on it.
So there and it makes it very convenient because I was thinking about that too.
How I think it’s unique in time travel movies that you can see everything progressing outside.
And so you could time it well, if you went.
Oh, crap.
I mean, in case in this building go a couple of million years for back it up a little bit and get yourself out of that sticky situation.
I wonder if in the book he explains that at all.
I, it just reminds me how unique the DeLorean is.
Like, why wouldn’t you put wheels on this thing?
So you could move around a little bit when you got somewhere else?
Yeah, you could see things changing around you and you just drive.
You know, when you, when you get there, even you can’t activate it while you’re moving, have a mode of transportation or not have to walk away from your time.
Cars were very new at that point when he built this machine, right?
So that’s right.
But they still had wheels, they still had, you know, horse and carriage, build it, make it bigger so your horses can travel with you.
Come on man, build a time machine.
Go nuts.
Yeah.
So that was very convenient that the space where the time machine was, was preserved, nothing was built on top of it or, you know, so laws were created very, very quickly.
He assesses very quickly that no matter how many times he tries to go back and save his wife, he won’t be able to, he tries once and then just assumes her death is inevitable.
That was, it sped things up.
But I wonder if in the book, he tried a couple more times.
Yeah, that’s quite possible.
And then he just immediately, yeah, he immediately goes into the future just trying to think of any other ways about how the, how the time machine works itself.
So, one thing that was not brought up when he went into the past to try to save himself, the subject of his original self that was, there was not brought up, was not seen, was not talked about nothing.
Yeah, that would have been a great scene to film because he was obviously rushing to try to avoid his previous self.
Well, not even that wasn’t even a thought.
It was, it was because he tells her just go home, just go before he goes in to get the flowers and she gets trampled.
He said go home, I’m gonna come find you.
Nothing I say is going to make sense.
So, but we don’t know, the audience doesn’t know what he’s thinking as far as his original self.
Only because of that quick explanation, almost like a reshoot.
Like they’re like, oh, shoot, we have to assess the fact that he’s traveled back to where his previous self still exists and they, they mention it, but they don’t visualize it at all.
OK?
I must have missed that mention.
Yeah, he, he tries once it doesn’t work, he assumes the worst and just decides to just go into the future.
I don’t know what he’s looking for in the future really?
For the answer as to why I can’t change the past.
He’s assuming, since I’ve developed time travel now, it’s got to be, there’s got to be a way in a couple of 1000 years.
So I’ll just go figure that out.
I, I’ll, I’ll learn from their mistakes.
I’ll come back.
I’ll, yeah, because he went to the library with the artificial attention and he, he asked him, why can’t I change the past Uber Morlock mentions at the end, where does he say it?
You built the time machine in spite of Emma’s death, which was inescapable and I am the inescapable result of you.
Let’s talk about that.
Yeah, this was a little bit confusing to me.
Is he trying to suggest that he is a result of him time traveling.
Yes.
How he had nothing to do with the moon.
This is where it gets into ideas that are explored in the movie but are just kind of thrown out there.
Did it split?
Like maybe this is only his future, maybe as soon as he went back for years.
And there were two of him that split the timelines and then his new timeline jumped forward and at least this timeline is the result of his travel.
And there’s still another timeline where he’s very confused because his to be fiance say didn’t show up at the rink.
He finds out much later that she was trampled.
And so that’s a whole separate time.
That’s a good point.
What, what happens to the original, uh, Alexander and then the one who traveled, I mean, they could technically be in the same if you think about it as one line because he does immediately go so far ahead where he’s never going to bump into himself again.
And that’s no longer an issue.
But does the Alexander who’s now?
And I say Timeline Alpha, I believe, and he goes to the skating rink, he waits, two hours, goes home, finds out later that she got hit by a cart.
Does he, I’m assuming?
Yeah, I’m just trying to think, you know, in our age of information that but he’s, he’ll find out they know enough of the same people where he’s going to find out.
So does that Alexander then spend the next four years developing time travel?
Does he, does he develop time travel in the first one?
Because he feels responsible for her death?
He’s the reason the gun goes off because he’s the one fighting with the robber.
If he, if she’s just randomly trampled and doesn’t feel that’s true.
We have to assume within this story, the original Alexander will call him whose fiance got trampled, does not develop time trouble and just lives a life and that’s it.
We have to assume that because which maybe he does because in 2037 Orlando Jones has no, if trampled Alex, I know if trampled Alex.
Yeah, never develops, it develops it.
Then that’s why Orlando Jones doesn’t have a history of it if, because if he doesn’t immediately feel the need to go back, let’s say he does develop time travel.
But again, he doesn’t feel responsible for his fiance, you know, accidents happened and he develops time travel and it’s, his first thought is to go back and save her.
He just use it.
Then in theory, Orlando Jones knows that time travel is a thing.
So does trampled Alex just mourn in obscurity because he’s not driven by the guilt to create time travel.
Yeah, I’m going to go with that.
I mean, this makes me want to read the book very much.
Maybe I’ll pick up a book of this, but I would assume that it would be that, that he would not have the guilt and the drive to go back in time and just kind of live out his life as a normal person.
There are.
And this has nothing to do with really what we’re talking about it except for the fact that we’re talking about the book, some deleted chapters that kind of came and went from the book and they seem to have more to do with the end.
I think it was more of an argument over how fantasy it got.
And you’re, you’re making the science fiction book.
How much Lord of the Rings do you want in it?
So that, that kind of comes and goes.
That’s interesting, I think.
And it’ll be, I’ll definitely revisit that I’ll, I’ll be getting the book on tape because I have no patience for read.
But I’ll be happy to listen.
If someone read it for me while we’re just hovering around the subject, the book was published in 1895.
It was written.
Oh, is this one of the first time travel stories?
I know we looked this up once.
It is.
The work is generally credited with the popular popularization of the concept of time travel.
But it’s not, isn’t there a movie from like the 19 thirties or something about time travel?
I think so.
And that might be, this is, I think HG Wells really invented the concept of a time machine.
Or wait, I’m sorry.
That would have been later than 19 or 1895.
So I think the idea of time travel had been discussed a little bit, but the idea that you’re going to build a machine to do it consciously whenever and however you want, I think that’s what was really popularized with this story.
Yeah.
So this was the first known time travel story.
Yes.
Any other general nerdy thoughts?
No, I don’t think so.
Um I liked this movie.
Did you?
Yeah, real quick.
Oh, yeah, we’ll get back to that.
Uh Well, actually, no real quick before we, we get into ratings.
You have this time machine you can use this time machine, do you?
And in what capacity?
Yes, I do use it.
Of course.
And I go into the future.
I’m more interested in future than in the past, most time travel stories.
Talk about going into the past, more than the future.
Future.
I loved this because I would definitely go into the future before I answer that.
It just got me thinking of the time machine itself.
What’s so he starts it and then he puts the time crystal in which is a doorknob.
That’s what it is.
I think it’s just the key to turn it on and I don’t know, just, just how the whole thing works.
Well, they don’t talk about how it’s powered or the science behind it.
There was even a note that I wrote down he’s doing this long math equation on his blackboard.
And some of the symbols that he’s doing are those real symbols?
The symbols are, are they, it was like an upside down triangle with like a cube design like a two or a square.
Actually, I can’t prove that they’re real.
I just, I know between the little bit of physics I do and the little bit of advanced math I’ve looked at, I certainly haven’t done any of the equations.
It’s, they, yeah, I’m just gonna assume it is because they use so many notations and, and they probably have non, non number because it’s all theory.
So numbers, you can’t put real numbers in there because that would mean there’s, you could do the math, you gotta put some weird symbol in there so you can’t figure it out.
I definitely use this machine and I might use this.
She more is a peaking device because you can see things happen around you.
He seemed to be able to control the speed of it.
So you could jump months at a time or you, it seems like you could just push that crystal a little bit and just look at the next 24 hours in 2030 minutes and get an idea of what’s, what’s gonna happen and then just go right back to where you were and destroy the present.
This reminds me of an episode on Futurama.
Do you ever watch Futurama?
So there’s an episode on Futurama where they have a time machine and I think it can only go forward and they, they go forward a lot and they come across all these different versions of earth and new species and taken over by aliens.
And they essentially, they essentially discover that time is a loop and they go around and end up right back where they were.
Don’t remember that.
Ok.
It’s a fun episode.
Well, we need to, yeah, drama.
We got to put that on the list.
Absolutely.
This gets me in a conundrum.
So he goes back in time and in theory, his other self is there that he has to avoid.
But since it’s not an instantaneous jump when he’s slowly going back in time, wouldn’t he see himself?
Maybe he, because maybe he isn’t there.
But, but, but he says next time you see me, you, I won’t, I’ll be confused like you won’t understand what I’m talking about.
But if the he that goes to the past is the same, he, that goes back to the present, then he won’t be confused.
He’ll just be able to say, oh, I’m sorry, I got lost or why would then his present self?
When does it split?
Because if you’re going back slowly, if you’re going back slowly and you can see, you know, in theory, he would see himself in his library moving around.
But then if you’re going back slowly, when do you split?
So I guess the moment that he goes back, the minute he gets in and turns it on.
Oh right.
You wouldn’t split because you f for the first four years you’re seeing yourself, you would just see yourself.
You would see a ghost yourself back out of the time machine as you turned it on and activated it.
And this is a very good question because yeah, you, you, let’s say you climb into your time machine and you turn it on, boom, you would then see yourself climbing out of the time machine.
You know, go walking in reverse, erasing all your equations.
Yeah.
Having breakfast in reverse, going through your day, experiencing the loss of the fiance and then getting to that night eventually and then making sure you turn it off when you’re not there because it’s, of course, it’s never just explained in this movie, but we’ll just assume you don’t want to bump into yourself.
And here’s another question, can the time machine because it is stationary in space exist before it was built.
So it is being built in this space because the time machine does not move.
Can it go back to a time before it even existed in that space of the universe?
Because he created it’s some kind of a time bubble and whatever is in there banters about however you want.
If so, I mean, this is a closed box situation, then it gets confusing.
But he seems to create a, I don’t know, wormhole isn’t the right word, but he creates a space that can move through time.
So this is that hole again, this is the question of does the time machine create this sphere that is completely separate to what it is occupying the space that it is occupying?
Because can someone walk through?
But I think no, because like things fly out of the sphere like he dropped the necklace out of the sphere and it just landed on the floor below him, the knife flew out of the sphere.
So they all aged immediately.
Once they were outside of the time bubble, they were no longer in the safe zone and they aged appropriately.
Yeah.
So whether or not this time machine can exist before it was built is a very big question for this story.
I’m satisfied with it.
And I see what you’re saying for some, some stories.
But this one I think I can imagine.
I mean, the, because if it was a closed box and I couldn’t see, you couldn’t see the circle surrounding the box, then yes, the box would have to be there to receive what’s inside of it.
But since he’s creating the bubbles to encompass the machine, him and, and everything else that’s inside of it, it’s comfortable with it.
This goes in.
So the question of what is happening in the space.
But yeah, the idea that the bubble that other people can’t see it until he decides to.
But yet some people turn it off now and that that would make sense too if at a certain speed, it’s undetectable.
And then once it starts slowing down, you start to see it.
If it’s moving faster than light in order to move through time, when it starts pumping the brakes visible, it can be on but not traveling through time.
That that happened.
Yeah, it’s a good question.
I mean, we could get into this for hours but it’s getting, it’s getting damn hot in the studio right now.
So yes, it is.
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That’s why I produce and listen to podcast because I don’t read right.
Oh, rating.
You said you liked it?
I liked it.
I liked it as a movie.
I thought it was very well rounded.
It had all the things.
It’s probably an even more phenomenal book.
I would definitely give it a nine.
I like movies that go into the future.
The Future Future.
Yeah, you’re right.
I was gonna give it a little lower grade.
I’m going to raise it up a little bit.
It essentially turns into a period piece at some, I mean, not too much because they do, they don’t stay there very long.
But you’re right.
It does utilize the time machine.
Still uses the time machine.
Yeah, I can’t, I can’t go up to that.
I’m gonna go 7.5 7.5.
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I, where’s the big finish?
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Oh, did he?
Oh, I missed that.
I, I must have been taking notes anything.
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